Thursday, October 10, 2013
"BEHEADING THE EDL"
This is Muslim Outreach? Tommy Robinson approaches Quilliam in earnest, puts his life on the line, becomes a pariah (and rightly so) and that's how they declare it? Decapitation sounds like jihad, not reformation.
Quilliam claimed they have “facilitated the decapitation of the EDL” and called on all remaining members to “follow in his footsteps”.
As I noted in my initial declaration of support for Tommy's leaving the EDL, there were many problematic elements within the EDL: antisemites, neo-Nazis, etc. There are also many patriotic lovers of freedom, and I hope they will be able to continue their struggle for human rights and the defense of England against Sharia and Islamization. While we supported Tommy's distancing himself from the unsavory forces that were infiltrating the EDL, his association with the Quilliam Foundation is problematic in the extreme.
The Quilliam Foundation was founded by former members of the Islamic supremacist group Hizb ut-Tahrir, which calls for a worldwide caliphate. The Quilliam founders say they've rejected all that and are "moderates" now, but there are warning signs that they aren't. The Quilliam Foundation is named after a 19th-century British convert to Islam, Abdullah (formerly William) Quilliam, who was hardly a "moderate." In warning Muslims not to aid a British expedition into Sudan in 1896, he wrote: "For any True Believer to take up arms and fight against another Muslim is contrary to the Shariat, and against the law of God and his holy prophet. I warn every True-Believer that if he gives the slightest assistance in this projected expedition against the Muslims of the Soudan, even to the extent of carrying a parcel, or giving a bite of bread to eat or a drink of water to any person taking part in the expedition against these Muslims that he thereby helps the Giaour [Infidels] against the Muslim, and his name will be unworthy to be continued upon the roll of the faithful."
And he called for a worldwide Islamic caliphate, saying: "At the present time, union is more than ever necessary among Muslims. The Christian powers are preparing a new crusade in order to shatter the Muslim powers, under the pretext that they desire to civilise the world."
So Quilliam was not a good name for a supposedly moderate Muslim organization, and the organization is a classically deceptive enterprise. It showed that it was not genuinely opposed to jihad when it came out in favor of the "Palestinian" jihad against Israel and the ending of Israeli defensive operations. Also, when the Quilliam Foundation began, its founder Ed Husain attacked Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Ibn Warraq and Robert Spencer -- would a real opponent of jihad and Islamic supremacism do that? I don't think so. Spencer noted then that Husain "wrote disingenuously about Islamic teaching on apostasy and other matters, and ignored the deep scriptural, theological and legal foundations of Islamic violence and supremacism. Hardly a promising performance for a genuine reformer."
A deceptive group like this will be able to deceive Tommy Robinson, who is full of courage and committed to human rights is not well-versed in Islamic teaching, into thinking that Islam is a Religion of Peace and the jihadis are just a tiny minority of "extremists" -- a word Tommy has been using a lot over the last few days.
Meanwhile, Islamic supremacist groups like MPACUK hate Quilliam and gleefully point out that it has no following among Muslims. So even if they are sincere, which is doubtful, how effective will Tommy be working with them, anyway?
Even worse, Mo Ansar said he had been meeting with Tommy Robinson for 18 months. Look at this interview with Ansar: he lies about Muhammad's child bride Aisha, claiming she was 18 or 20 (get the truth here -- she was 9 when Muhammad consummated their marriage) and tries to whitewash Islam's institutionalized mistreatment of women. This is not "Islamic reform." This is just deception.
These are the people Tommy Robinson has embraced. It was good to reject anti-Semitism, racism, fascism, etc. It is not good to capitulate to forces of jihad and Islamic supremacism. In boasting that they had "decapitated" the EDL, these "moderates" showed their true colors.
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Sean said...
Let me first start by saying I'm a big fan of Pamela and Robert.
With regard to this topic though Pamela and Robert had been warned countless times that Tommy Robinson wasn't exactly the brightest button in the sewing box yet the pair of them carried on associating themselves with him. They went further and ripped into Melanie Phillips because of him and even got themselves banned from the UK because of him indirectly.
All I can say though is don't feel down about all this as I can assure you that those on the left and right here in the UK are well aware that Islam is a nasty piece of work but dealing with it happens to be the question of our time.
Reply Thursday, October 10, 2013 at 05:36 AM
Theo Prinse said...
In the Netherlands we had Orangists waving orange white blue flags by Dutch extremists organization Voorpost (Nazi anti-Semite) on Geert Wilders the Hague Koekamp demonstration in September. This Orange White Blue flag or Princenflag was also used by the Dutch Nazi's - the NSB - in 1940. The Orange Flag was hated by republicans like prime minister Johan van Oldenbarneveld, prime minister Johan de Witt and his brother the founder of the Dutch marine Cornelius the Witt, Lieutenant Admiral Michiel Adriaansz de Ruyter, admiral Witte de With etc etc. They were all murdered by the Oranges Maurits and after him William the Third (King Billy)
Dutch William the Third of Orange who became the later King Billy of England and his general Baron van Ginkel lie at the root of the Ulster Protestant marches against Irish Catholics. William the III of Orange in fact helped England to destroy the Dutch Republic soon after and thus caused immense damage to the Dutch trade.
Even mr. Geert Wilders had to defend himself in Dutch Parliament against this nazi Princenvlag whom’s fascist extremists are trying to infiltrate the Freedom Party of Wilders just like MI5 is insinuating with the EDL of Tommy Robinson.
As a Dutch republican myself I reject the Dutch monarchy of Orange where Bernard von Lippe Biesterfeld was member of the SS and Claus von Amsberg was member of the Hitler’s Nazi Partei and Jorge Zorreguietta who was the architect of 30.000 Argentinians murdered and who sympathized with the Nazi's in Bariloche Argentine.
The Oranges of the 16th century murdered two Dutch republican prime ministers, and before that screwed up in the liberation war against catholic Spain and also corroborated with the Islam Ottoman Empire against this Spanish dominated Habsburg Empire of which the Netherlands were then part of.
The current Oranges are no bloodline of those in the 16th century but all their German fathers where connected to Hitler’s Nazi party
Reply Thursday, October 10, 2013 at 05:32 AM
Joe said...
Let's not fool ourselves. There have been Nazis at EDL demos. I've spoken to people from the EDL's Gay Division who REGULARLY have had death threats from overt Nazis at the demos. When Tommy was told of this he was aghast - that was why he made it loud and clear at the Birmingham demo that these Nazis are not welcome. He asked them: "why do you keep coming back when we tell you over and over you are not wanted." I was at the meeting in June or July when he was told of these death threats, and he was furious and frustrated and depressed all at the same time.
Without a doubt, these Nazis turn up because some of them are agents provacateurs of the UK government. Others turn up because for 4 years the media have refused to publicise any of EDL's attempts to make it clear that EDL does not want Nazis or racists. In 2009, Tommy went on BBC news with a group of black men from EDL and burned a swastika and denounced Nazis. From 2009 until last week, the British media never mentioned this event (even though the video of it is still found on the BBC Newsnight webpage). http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8303786.stm A few days ago, this event was brought up on Channel4 News in Britain, only for the hostile, baracking presenter not to mention that in that video Tommy etc. burned a swastika. No, the presenter concentrated on the fact that Tommy wore a balaclava. He continued to address Tommy as if EDL was a racist organisation, not telling the viewers that half the men in that video were black.
I've seen EDL physically threaten Nazis who turned up to meetings. When such things leaked out (EDL did not report what they'd done), the media ignored it and the websites of the fascist Left said it never happened. There have been street battles in the centre of London between EDL and neo-nazis, with the neo-nazis being put in hospital. Again, a story ignored by all the media. Tommy has a criminal conviction for assaulting a Nazi - something that would have made him a legend among the fascist Left if Tommy had been in the UAF. And the media have had a sustained campaign of only showing angry white men on EDL demos. They will shoot video down a line of EDL supporters, and edit out any asians, blacks or gays in the line.
After 4 years of swimming upstream against the media and the lies from the fascist Left, it looks like he's had enough of it. He has encouraged asians, blacks, jews and gays to come to demos to speak on stage, to take leadership roles in EDL, but because of what the media have done, Tommy must feel he is putting the lives of these people in danger when he cannot remove the Nazis from EDL. I would not keep going back on EDL demos and identifying myself as jewish or gay if I was repeatedly getting death threats from Nazis on the demos.
If he is going to de-toxify his image and that of the movement around him, he clearly can't do it when the media will lie so blatantly.
Quilliam are not to be trusted, just as no muslim organisation is to be trusted. I might trust Tarek Fatah, but no other muslim. But in the British context, Quilliam are probably one of the least bad organisations. The British media constantly interview "moderate muslim leaders" whose organisations have directors who repeatedly state "gays must be killed".
You have to work with what is available. I hope that the publicity that Quilliam has got over this serves to show people how duplicitous they are. Their comment about beheading the EDL when the trial of Lee Rigby starts in a couple of weeks shows that everyone has good reason to regard their activities as stealth jihad.
Reply Thursday, October 10, 2013 at 05:21 AM
Joe said in reply to Joe...
There's no doubt in my mind that some of the Nazis and racists and violent troublemakers who infiltrate EDL demos are police agents.
Here is a recent story of one such agent, who was one of 16 who spent many years as full-time activists in the Green movement. The agents would encourage, provoke and facilitate criminal actitivies by these Greens.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthnews/8262746/Mark-Kennedy-15-other-undercover-police-infiltrated-green-movement.html When EDL had their demo for Israel outside the Israeli embassy in London, the agent in that story was seen hanging around the periphery of the EDL demo. I saw him myself and remembered thinking what strange eyes he had. A few months later, he was exposed as an agent provocateur in the Greens.
If the police put 16 such agents in the Green movement, how many do they have in EDL?
Reply Thursday, October 10, 2013 at 05:31 AM
NSNZ said...
Tommy. There is no moderate islam. It is a fallacy. There is only islam in all its backward awfulness. Every bad thing you heard about it is true & probably worse. Walk in Coptic shoes and you will feel the full force of evil on you. Walk in women's shoes too, if you are able.
My main message to you is "There is no moderate islam."
Reply Thursday, October 10, 2013 at 04:46 AM
Jane L said...
It is worrying but we must go on regardless. It is not time to sit down and say we surrender, we will never surrender for our beloved country is at stake and our way of life. They fought for it in two world wards, especially the last when Hitler was on our doorstep, and with the help of our allies we won. We need our allies again now, such as the Sikhs et al, I welcome them for they are peaceful people and do not come to our shores to change us or our country. Perhaps people may answer you question InfidelForLife about what we can do and how we can help but if not then we need to push ourselves forward to help and not sit back helplessly letting time go on and the other side hence gaining more power. If you look hard enough you can find out what to do and how to help. Be determined, be resourceful, be strong and have strength of character. I've been told I have those characteristics and I intend to use them. And w
worry is a waste of energy, get out and find a way.
Reply Thursday, October 10, 2013 at 04:23 AM
Jane London said...
I'm just as shocked as other at Tommy and Kevin exit from the EDL. I tend to think someone leant on him and he does have a small family to consider. We may never know the truth, however I do think joining the group he has is a bad move and that does puzzle me. But there are many of us who can continue the fight in a peaceful, and it must be anti-violence, way, the true British way of being polite, peaceful and right. Our numbers need to swell from all the peaceful people who sit in the lounges talking about it and saying nothing can be done, it's all over and the like.
We can win if we ALL come out into the streets. Those sort of numbers cannot be dismissed. But I for one will not tolerate violence, racists, or neo nazis. I'm a committed member of the EDL and cannot wait to get back home, England, and demonstrate with everyone else. I may only behind a keyboard now but that is going to change soon. I've always said if my country is at war I would return and fight for it. I'm returning. I will fight to my dying breath against what is happening and I just hope and pray we are not too late. The more we can get standing behind us the more chance is that we aren't too late. And I hope other western countries, like Australia where I am now, will see us fighting and winning and take up their fight for it is coming here and growing as it is in other western countries. So we are role models too, another reason to do it in a non violent and decent way. The world is watching.
I believe the pressure on people like Tommy must have been great but I have no young family, I have no relatives who will mourn me, I'm older and have had some life so if my life goes on the line then so be it. I would die for my country rather than see it go under.
Reply Thursday, October 10, 2013 at 04:14 AM
Thomas Pellow said...
Cartoon.
"Mac on... The Guardian exposing Britain's security secrets"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2451591/Mac--The-Guardian-exposing-Britains-security-secrets.html
Reply Thursday, October 10, 2013 at 03:59 AM
Thomas Pellow said...
Meanwhile:-
"Why all this country's enemies will be grateful for the schoolboy vanity of the Guardian", says DOUGLAS MURRAY.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2451544/Why-countrys-enemies-grateful-schoolboy-vanity-Guardian-says-DOUGLAS-MURRAY.html
Reply Thursday, October 10, 2013 at 03:56 AM
Thomas Pellow said...
-UK political class embraces the Islamic Quilliam Foundation(QF), which was founded by three ex-members of Islamic jihad supporting group, Hizb ut-Tahrir.
QF receives public finance:-
http://www.powerbase.info/index.php/Quilliam_Foundation
The Islamic QF opposes Geert Wilders, and campaigns for the wearing of the niqab/burqa in UK.
Quilliam is named after a Liverpool man who converted to Islam in 19th century. Note he was a supporter of imposing a global Caliphate. Little wonder the Islamic Quilliam Foundation is pleased to be politically associated with the name?
‘Wikipedia’:-
“The foundation takes its name from Abdullah Quilliam, a 19th Century British convert to Islam who founded a mosque in Liverpool. This is an ironic choice since Abdullah Quilliam was an opponent of the British Empire and a supporter of the Caliphate. He also argued that Muslims should not fight Muslims on behalf of European powers, citing specifically Britain’s enlistment of Muslim soldiers against the resistance in Sudan. In all these respects his activities correspond to those that the individuals running the Quilliam Foundation today hold up as evidence of extremism.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quilliam_(think_tank)
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